If You Can’t Take the Heat, Get Out of the Kitchen
A couple posts flew across my path about Sexism lately, and I’ve been mulling over some things, and now that it’s gestated a bit, I’m going to spew forth like an angry volcano. The posts in question are Apple Cider’s post, and a post on Herding Cats.
Let’s start with the people who have certain problems with the game, I’m not going to pick on just one group. To if you have a problem with the game, then why do you play it? To me it’s like going to a KKK rally cause you like the food. You tell me this game has issues with something, yet you still fork over your money. How is that going to institute change? How is that going to send a message? So don’t tell me that this game offends you, then your still playing away like nothing is wrong. Now I’m not speaking if you don’t like a mechanic, or a certain dungeon. I’m talking if you have a morale difference with the game, such as you think it’s part of a rape culture, or too violent. I’m kind of morally corrupt, so I really couldn’t give you an example for myself.
Now alot of women I hear get offended by men when they go online. Hey guess what lady, we all take that abuse. Heck a RP’er called me a loser when he found out I lived with my Mom, he didn’t know I moved in because My Mom’s husband had a stroke and she needed help. We as men, we degrade one another. I call my guildies douchebags, of course I mean it in the best possible way. I call my friend Scary a Panda Cock. That’s what men do, though it’s how we are. It’s in our nature, but when you women come into our house, you want to be treated like you’re a lady. That shit ain’t going to happen. You want to be equal, fine we’re going to degrade you, and put you through hell to prove yourself. With men, respect is usually earned, not given. Sometimes I feel you don’t want to earn it. The women, and men who I treat with respect, and honor….they’ve earned it ten times over.
What ever happen to having a thick skin, I use to bounce at a bar, and you think internet losers calling you an asshole is bad…you should try having a girl bash a beer bottle over your head, while calling you a no penis having loser, as you haul her boyfriend away, compared to some of the shit I dealt with, it’s refreshing dealing with internet retards. I put my thoughts, and opinions on this worldwide forum called the internet, and once in awhile there are going to be people that disagree with me, or even hate me for no reason. I don’t care, and I hope they say something stupid, because it proves me all the more right.
I think bottomline, if you believe in something, stand up for what you believe in. If you can’t take the heat of putting yourself out there, then maybe you should get out of the kitchen.
November 1, 2012 at 3:21 pm
While I would definitely vote for “respecting each other for what we are”, I agree that more often than not respect must be earned, regardless of sex. This is what I take as the main message of your post.
On the other hand, I guess people complaining about sexism often have experiences when they are handled differently AFTER their sex becomes known. Obviously, what you say above is not applicable for that, as it has nothing to do with earned respect, rather the opposite.
November 1, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Vagabond your right, it’s my basic message, my secondary message is if you don’t like it, while are you still here.
November 1, 2012 at 8:19 pm
“I guess people complaining about sexism often have experiences when they are handled differently AFTER their sex becomes known.”
This.
Coupled with a hefty dose of immediate assumptions about skill level if my sex is known first.
The backhanded, “you play well… for a girl.” Or “you can’t be a girl, you’re too good.”
Don’t stop talking because I am in the channel. Don’t stop the way you talk. Don’t stop hurling insults. If I screw up, by all means tell me. But stop assuming that I’m bad at a game because I lack a dick. That’s all I want. Let me play the game and earn respect on my own merit. Honestly, my cup size has nothing to do with my ability to smash buttons.
(Although some more creative insults would be nice. “Eat a bag of dicks” gets really old after a while. What happened to really good Shakespeare-type insults?)
It’s frustrating to raid and see LOTS of guys making LOTS of mistakes and it gets laughed off. But if a woman makes a mistake it’s directly attributed to her sex. No one ever says, “hey, that dipshit guy is standing in the bad because he has a penis” but they think nothing of “chick died because girls can’t play WoW.” I’ve been really lucky in that I’ve only seen it a few times. I don’t raid with those people, problem solved – for me. But they’ll do it to the next gal that comes along. Makes you guys look bad. =P
I know rivs would treat me exactly the same as any other player – which would probably be like shit, lol. But I get that it’s the way guys (and some gals) play rough. And so long as I’m getting it just as good/bad as everyone else on the team there’s nothing discriminatory about it. If someone wants a sterile environment with no mudslinging they will probably need to create it themselves. Part of the game is shit talking for a lot of players. The only issue (for me) is when the shit talking is BECAUSE I’m a woman.
/end incoherent ramble
November 1, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Exactly I treat everyone the same….like shit. LOL!
November 1, 2012 at 5:24 pm
In the same spirit, I’d like to offer the following.
If you don’t like what other bloggers write about the perceived cultural shortcomings of the gaming community, stop reading them.
If you don’t like people calling Blizz on their shit (which is what was going on, no matter how much you want to mischaracterize it), then don’t read it.
After all, that’s the gospel according to Rivs, and you should practice what you preach.
WoW is supposed to be fun for everyone, and I question that you want to oppose that. Surely, not hearing every other swinging dick make a rape joke is NOT going to take away from your enjoyment.
Comparing your emo adventures with the RPers comes nowhere close to being the same as being a rape survivor surrounded by a bunch of morons making jokes about it. There is a hella fucking difference in magnitude between the two.
Besides, it’s not about you, and nobody gives a shit, really, about your suffering from a fight that YOU picked over an issue that is dead two years running now.
November 1, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Grim,
Thanks for the laugh. Cause this either is a joke, or you don’t have basic reading skills.
November 1, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Yeah, that’s your speed, all right. Well, bullshit’s a free commodity. “Just my opinion, lol.”
November 1, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Oooh so it’s not a joke. Huh? Thought you were smarter then that. Well I’ll break it down for you.
The post is basically two parts. First part is saying if you feel that the game is morally wrong, if you feel strongly about something , why are you playing it? No time did I say she was wrong, or that I disagreed with her.
Second part was discussing Liore’s post in terms of being made fun of, do i wish the world was filled with pink bunnies, and rainbows I sure do…but it isn’t. I’m just saying sometimes you need a thick skin. I used my “EMO” adventures as an analogy, that we need a little thicker skin if we present ourselves to the world as something.
Obiviously by your comment you were way off the mark of what I was trying to say, and you were reading into something that simply wasn’t there. A little piece of advice, One should not say anything, and appear foolish instead of speaking up and removing all doubt.
That’s just my opinion.